Posts by cha ching

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Profiling of an apostate

by joe134cd in

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i must admit when i was in, the idea i had of an apostate, was an angry bitter person who would picket out side a convention.

i was looking on jwservey and found on the respondents to a servey that 54% were either active members or fading members.

this made me wonder is the organisation underestimating the extent of apostasy.

cha ching

You must accept error.. or else!

Quote from the "Douglas Walsh" trial:

Another example is the testimony by Hayden C. Covington, a former vice president and lead Watchtower attorney, who stated that Witnesses must accept a “false prophecy” as true.

Prosecutor:	… A false prophecy was promulgated?
Answer:	I agree [to] that.
Prosecutor:	It had to be accepted by Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Answer:	That is correct.
Prosecutor:	If [a] member of Jehovah’s Witnesses took the view himself that that prophecy was wrong and said so he would be disfellowshipped?
Answer:	Yes … Our purpose is to have unity.
Prosecutor:	Unity at all costs?
Answer:	Unity at all costs …
Prosecutor:	And unity based upon an enforced acceptance of false prophecy?
Answer:	That is conceded to be true.
Prosecutor:	And the person who expressed his view … that it was wrong, and was disfellowshipped, would be in breach of the covenant if he was baptized.
Answer:	That is correct.
Prosecutor:	And as you said yesterday expressly, would be worthy of death …
Answer:	I will answer that yes, unhesitatingly.
Prosecutor:	Do you call that religion?
Answer:	It certainly is.
Prosecutor:	Do you call it Christianity?
Answer:	I certainly do.

(Douglas Walsh v. The Right Honorable James Latham Clyde Scottish Court of Sessions, November, 1954, p.347-348, Cross Examination of Fred Franz; also see entire testimony for other examples).

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Is anyone else completely astonished that they're drawing attention to 1914/2014 - 100 years

by jambon1 in

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i note that they're making reference to this in the upcoming convention programme.

someone has has dropped a bollock here, have they not?.

i mean, if i were a jw, i'd be sitting thinking of all the promises made and broken.

cha ching

Thx for your research, Blondie...

Perhaps someone will see the irony, the way they change like a chameleon ....

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Is anyone else completely astonished that they're drawing attention to 1914/2014 - 100 years

by jambon1 in

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friends

i note that they're making reference to this in the upcoming convention programme.

someone has has dropped a bollock here, have they not?.

i mean, if i were a jw, i'd be sitting thinking of all the promises made and broken.

cha ching

This is what con men commonly call the .... "razzle dazzle"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW3MIixEps4

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GB's Quick Fix for Overlapping Generations

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GB's Quick Fix for Overlapping Generations

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There's No Place Like Home

by cha ching in

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cha ching

haha... good joke!

Just in case the rest of you aren't 'computer geeks', enter 127.0.0.1 into the "address" of your toolbar, and see what you'll get :-)

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Please...I need your help

by Strawberryfieldsforever in

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my heart is heavy as i write this letter.

i have been trying to live my life as best that i can since leaving jehovah's witnesses.

my dad was not a witness and was my rock when i left the religion.

cha ching

Be brief, but reassuring, then moving on might be the best.

Don't dwell on it more than a sentence, then tell something funny to divert.

"Are you kidding mom? I am still reading the Bible & Science Fiction, but that's about it!"

Or, "I don't have time for that stuff, I enjoy my garden so much... Did you know my rose bushes have grown twice as large this year? In fact, I've noticed a new branch popping out that has a different colored flower, do you think that's a "sport"? Go from there, jokling, laughing, asking questions.

Only give her a brief reply @ 'apostate literature' after two or three lines in, and move on.....

:-) cha ching

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Letting JESUS refute the Watch Tower blood policies

by Terry in

letting jesus refute the watch tower blood policies.

the watch tower bible and tract society represent itself as christian.. it represents its theology and policies as direct from jehovah god through his son, jesus christ.. further, the governing body of this corporation interposes itself between the mediator, jesus, and the rest of jehovah's (christian) witnesses for the purpose of "feeding them (spiritual) food at the proper time.. the official word of jesus christ is represented in the watch tower's policy on blood transfusions.. in 1998 this statement was made:.

jehovah's witnesses do not accept whole blood, or major components of blood, namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and plasma.

cha ching

(Luke 6:4) How he entered into the house of God and received the loaves of presentation and ate and gave some to the men with him, which it is lawful for no one to eat but for the priests only?”

7 The scribes and the Pharisees were now watching him closely to see whether he would cure on the sabbath, in order to find some way to accuse him. 8 He, however, knew their reasonings, yet he said to the man with the withered hand: “Get up and stand in the center.” And he rose and took his stand. 9 Then Jesus said to them: “I ask YOU men, Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do injury, to save or to destroy a soul?” 10 And after looking around at them all, he said to the man: “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was restored. 11 But they became filled with madness, and they began to talk over with one another what they might do to Jesus.

*** w02 8/15 pp. 11-12 pars. 9-10 “I Set the Pattern for You” ***

9 When Jesus was challenged by religious opponents, he did not engage them in a duel of wits, although he could easily have outdone them in such a contest. Rather, he let God’s Word refute them. Recall, for instance, when the Pharisees charged that Jesus’ followers had violated the Sabbath law by plucking a few heads of grain in a field and eating them while passing through. Jesus replied: “Have you not read what David did when he and the men with him got hungry?” (Matthew 12:1-5) Of course, those self-righteous men may well have read that inspired account recorded at 1 Samuel 21:1-6. If so, they had failed to discern an important lesson that it contained. Jesus, however, had done more than read the account. He had thought about it and taken its message to heart. He loved the principles that Jehovah taught by means of that passage. So he used that account, as well as an example from the Mosaic Law, to reveal the balanced spirit of the Law. Similarly, Jesus’ loyal love moved him to defend God’s Word against the efforts of religious leaders to twist it to their own ends or bury it under a morass of human traditions.

10 Jesus’ love of his subject would never allow him to teach merely by rote, in a manner that was tired or mechanical. ..

Have you ever heard the style of commenting "Watchtower, '0' '2' 8/15, page 11 & 12, paragraph 9?

Have we "failed to discern the important lesson?" Life is more precious than listening to "religiuos leaders" who "twist it to their own ends or bury it under a morass of traditions."

Remember, the WT use to say that it was "cannabalistic" to take an organ transplant...

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THE TWO BABYLONS as a template for Watch Tower dishonesty in history

by Terry in

proof isn't proof at the watchtower.

"proof" is a reconstruction like frankenstein's monster kept alive by flashes of "new light" made up as needed to revitalize a quivering monstrosity.. at first glimpse it looks like science.

when the smoke clears it is madness and obsession riven with fierce contrarian nincompoopery.. ****.

cha ching

Amazing how easily they lie...

and it keeps going and going and going...

thx Terry!